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		<title>Comment on Theological Mapping and Contradiction Free Systems &#8211; Don&#8217;t Be Afraid! by Andy Potter</title>
		<link>http://blog.orthotomeo.com/2011/02/11/theological-mapping-and-contradiction-free-systems-dont-be-afraid/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

Thanks for your input. What you say makes a lot sense. I realize that non-contradiction has its difficulties. This is one reason the system I propose does not require it. The common denominator of my proposal is the observation that interpretation involves reasoning. The examples you or anyone may give for a particular interpretation (i.e. contradiction free or other options) are plain in simple reasons. They may be correct or they may be false but they are reasons advocating articular interpretation. This is all I want to accomplish. The robustness of the reasoning involved will be open to scrutiny by all. 

I will be glad to come back to you with questions or help. But this will probably be a while. I&#039;m still working on the technical implementation, which is unfortunately going slowly. Please stay tuned for any developments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Thanks for your input. What you say makes a lot sense. I realize that non-contradiction has its difficulties. This is one reason the system I propose does not require it. The common denominator of my proposal is the observation that interpretation involves reasoning. The examples you or anyone may give for a particular interpretation (i.e. contradiction free or other options) are plain in simple reasons. They may be correct or they may be false but they are reasons advocating articular interpretation. This is all I want to accomplish. The robustness of the reasoning involved will be open to scrutiny by all. </p>
<p>I will be glad to come back to you with questions or help. But this will probably be a while. I&#8217;m still working on the technical implementation, which is unfortunately going slowly. Please stay tuned for any developments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Propositions and Statements by Bob Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.orthotomeo.com/2011/02/06/propositions-and-statements/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We understand the meaning of this metaphor to be that God has qualities of a rock, stability, an unchanging nature etc&quot;

Well.... we might not know that.  That is certainly an allegorical way of interpreting it where the attributes are compared. In sensus plenior it is a key to a cypher. Every rock mentioned in the scriptures becomes a metaphor for God. 

He is the rock that was struck, he is the rock with the cleft where Moses hid,  he is the stone that the builders rejected, he is the rock ladder in Jacob&#039;s vision. 

In sensus plenior when an object takes on a metaphorphic meaning it must keep that meaning everywhere it occurs. Like a substitution cypher. This is caused by the interpretive method of Drash shared with Midrash.

Portions of scriptures are linked by common themes, phrases and words. They are treated like transparencies (for all those over 50 and remember them) or like Photoshop layers, so that one picture is seen. Then differing from Midrash, sensus plenior applies the Christological approach for interpretation upon the unified picture.

It is this cypher aspect that makes sensus plenior reproducible and verifiable. All donkeys are prophets, all garments are works, blood is always life, all water is the word. These substitutions always produce sensible, theologically sound, double entendre in all the Old Testament.

You can see why tight linking is of interest to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We understand the meaning of this metaphor to be that God has qualities of a rock, stability, an unchanging nature etc&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230;. we might not know that.  That is certainly an allegorical way of interpreting it where the attributes are compared. In sensus plenior it is a key to a cypher. Every rock mentioned in the scriptures becomes a metaphor for God. </p>
<p>He is the rock that was struck, he is the rock with the cleft where Moses hid,  he is the stone that the builders rejected, he is the rock ladder in Jacob&#8217;s vision. </p>
<p>In sensus plenior when an object takes on a metaphorphic meaning it must keep that meaning everywhere it occurs. Like a substitution cypher. This is caused by the interpretive method of Drash shared with Midrash.</p>
<p>Portions of scriptures are linked by common themes, phrases and words. They are treated like transparencies (for all those over 50 and remember them) or like Photoshop layers, so that one picture is seen. Then differing from Midrash, sensus plenior applies the Christological approach for interpretation upon the unified picture.</p>
<p>It is this cypher aspect that makes sensus plenior reproducible and verifiable. All donkeys are prophets, all garments are works, blood is always life, all water is the word. These substitutions always produce sensible, theologically sound, double entendre in all the Old Testament.</p>
<p>You can see why tight linking is of interest to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theological Mapping and Contradiction Free Systems &#8211; Don&#8217;t Be Afraid! by Bob Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.orthotomeo.com/2011/02/11/theological-mapping-and-contradiction-free-systems-dont-be-afraid/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I can break things. So if you need help in QA I would be happy to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I can break things. So if you need help in QA I would be happy to help.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theological Mapping and Contradiction Free Systems &#8211; Don&#8217;t Be Afraid! by Bob Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.orthotomeo.com/2011/02/11/theological-mapping-and-contradiction-free-systems-dont-be-afraid/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would venture to say that often, apparent contradictions are intended to be a riddle which is resolved at the riddle solution layer which is a meta layer. This is particularly true of Midrash and Sensus Plenior.

Jesus is the Only Begotten Son and the Unbegotten Only Son. A contradiction? No each simply are symbols which reveal the meta reality. He is also the Usurping Second Son as typified by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others. Again, not a contradiction, but a focus on him being the second Adam who gets the inheritance that the first lost.

Language is a set of symbols which point to the idea which is represented by all the symbols pointing to it. The symbols themselves can appear to contradict, but the reality does not. 

When God first revealed himself to his creation, he separated his Holiness attributes from his Love attributes because we cannot comprehend them when they are mixed. If a judge gives mercy we ask &quot;Where is justice?&quot; He reconciles those two aspects of himself on the cross where holiness and love are combined.

Non-contradiction can only be applied at the meta layer, not at the symbolic layer.

Take a more difficult one: God is immutable, he changes not. But was he incarnate before the incarnation? Isn&#039;t that a change? Did he grow up, move around, learn? aren&#039;t those changes? On the cross when the Father &quot;forsook&quot; the Son, God was split, isn&#039;t that a change? Here the symbol &quot;I change not&quot; has been interpreted as the reality and then is misapplied to other realities.  &quot;I change not&quot; only means what God intended it to mean, not what a systematic theology imposes upon it. 

Just for thought: What will you do with double entendre?
Because of the multiple meaning of words, Gen 2:21 can be read, &quot;And God caused the man to die and he died, and he married a certain limping side and delivered mankind.&quot;

This double entendre is a riddle which is a picture of Christ, where his limping side represents Gethsemane. This representation is confirmed by the bruised heel of the seed of the woman and Jacob&#039;s withered thigh.

Now we have a contradiction in the meaning of the symbols themselves caused by double entendre. Does it mean one thing or the other. Does the law of non-contradiction apply to the Quadriga where four layers of meaning are purported to be contained in the same set of symbols?

I was referred here by caleb at Biblical Hermeneutics on stack exchange. I am hoping your project gets a good start. Having tightly linked arguments is of interest to me even without the law of non-contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would venture to say that often, apparent contradictions are intended to be a riddle which is resolved at the riddle solution layer which is a meta layer. This is particularly true of Midrash and Sensus Plenior.</p>
<p>Jesus is the Only Begotten Son and the Unbegotten Only Son. A contradiction? No each simply are symbols which reveal the meta reality. He is also the Usurping Second Son as typified by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others. Again, not a contradiction, but a focus on him being the second Adam who gets the inheritance that the first lost.</p>
<p>Language is a set of symbols which point to the idea which is represented by all the symbols pointing to it. The symbols themselves can appear to contradict, but the reality does not. </p>
<p>When God first revealed himself to his creation, he separated his Holiness attributes from his Love attributes because we cannot comprehend them when they are mixed. If a judge gives mercy we ask &#8220;Where is justice?&#8221; He reconciles those two aspects of himself on the cross where holiness and love are combined.</p>
<p>Non-contradiction can only be applied at the meta layer, not at the symbolic layer.</p>
<p>Take a more difficult one: God is immutable, he changes not. But was he incarnate before the incarnation? Isn&#8217;t that a change? Did he grow up, move around, learn? aren&#8217;t those changes? On the cross when the Father &#8220;forsook&#8221; the Son, God was split, isn&#8217;t that a change? Here the symbol &#8220;I change not&#8221; has been interpreted as the reality and then is misapplied to other realities.  &#8220;I change not&#8221; only means what God intended it to mean, not what a systematic theology imposes upon it. </p>
<p>Just for thought: What will you do with double entendre?<br />
Because of the multiple meaning of words, Gen 2:21 can be read, &#8220;And God caused the man to die and he died, and he married a certain limping side and delivered mankind.&#8221;</p>
<p>This double entendre is a riddle which is a picture of Christ, where his limping side represents Gethsemane. This representation is confirmed by the bruised heel of the seed of the woman and Jacob&#8217;s withered thigh.</p>
<p>Now we have a contradiction in the meaning of the symbols themselves caused by double entendre. Does it mean one thing or the other. Does the law of non-contradiction apply to the Quadriga where four layers of meaning are purported to be contained in the same set of symbols?</p>
<p>I was referred here by caleb at Biblical Hermeneutics on stack exchange. I am hoping your project gets a good start. Having tightly linked arguments is of interest to me even without the law of non-contradiction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theological Mapping and Contradiction Free Systems &#8211; Don&#8217;t Be Afraid! by Andy Potter</title>
		<link>http://blog.orthotomeo.com/2011/02/11/theological-mapping-and-contradiction-free-systems-dont-be-afraid/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gearing my PhD-Dissertation toward this topic. Right now I&#039;m leaning strongly toward doing a dissertation on Ian Barbour and theological modelling.

Keep in mind, my purpose in the Orthotomeo Project is not to propose a theological solution or hermeneutic, rather to document and map existing theologies in way that remains as neutral as possible and to provide a framework for theological dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gearing my PhD-Dissertation toward this topic. Right now I&#8217;m leaning strongly toward doing a dissertation on Ian Barbour and theological modelling.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, my purpose in the Orthotomeo Project is not to propose a theological solution or hermeneutic, rather to document and map existing theologies in way that remains as neutral as possible and to provide a framework for theological dialog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to the orthotomeo.com blog by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Craig, yes, this is an immense challenge. However, I do think it is possible, I just need to find the right meta-approach. I&#039;ve had to put this project on the back burner for quite some time but in a few weeks I&#039;ll be able to devote some more time to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Craig, yes, this is an immense challenge. However, I do think it is possible, I just need to find the right meta-approach. I&#8217;ve had to put this project on the back burner for quite some time but in a few weeks I&#8217;ll be able to devote some more time to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theological Mapping and Contradiction Free Systems &#8211; Don&#8217;t Be Afraid! by Craig Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that what your looking for will be found within a narrative approach to the Scriptures of experiential theology. That is Scripture within its self is experiential in nature and not propositional, and therefore the truths have to be experientially known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that what your looking for will be found within a narrative approach to the Scriptures of experiential theology. That is Scripture within its self is experiential in nature and not propositional, and therefore the truths have to be experientially known.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to the orthotomeo.com blog by Craig Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exciting. I&#039;m not computer and marketing savvy...but I will spread the news via my blog. The hermetical challenge is immense, due to the sheer nature and diversity of the beast between East / West, Protestant / Catholic and then the vast diversity within those groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exciting. I&#8217;m not computer and marketing savvy&#8230;but I will spread the news via my blog. The hermetical challenge is immense, due to the sheer nature and diversity of the beast between East / West, Protestant / Catholic and then the vast diversity within those groups.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bibletech 2011 Summary by Andy Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon further reflection I was also impressed by the general humility of all the presenters. The conference was not a gathering of computer geeks trying to impress one another with how much they know. 

It was a gathering of geeks who have been reconciled to God. ;) This was evident in their demeanor, friendliness and desire to advance God&#039;s kingdom through computer technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon further reflection I was also impressed by the general humility of all the presenters. The conference was not a gathering of computer geeks trying to impress one another with how much they know. </p>
<p>It was a gathering of geeks who have been reconciled to God. <img src='http://blog.orthotomeo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  This was evident in their demeanor, friendliness and desire to advance God&#8217;s kingdom through computer technology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The good the bad and the flowchart by Andy Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip about ArguNet. It looks like it could be quite useful. I&#039;ll have to look into it in more detail in a couple weeks.

Are you going to be at Bible Tech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip about ArguNet. It looks like it could be quite useful. I&#8217;ll have to look into it in more detail in a couple weeks.</p>
<p>Are you going to be at Bible Tech?</p>
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